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Kevin Trudeau update: Katie still caged, awaiting next hearing, while GINtervenors and receiver duke it out on paper
[NOTE: Be sure to see the January 30 updates, below. ~CC]
On Thursday, January 30, which, as I am initially publishing this
post, is tomorrow ("only a day awaaaaay"), serial
scammer Kevin Trudeau is due in Judge Gettleman's civil court
again for another status hearing. During that hearing,
presumably, a few big issues will be decided, including the fate
of Ohio Global Information Network (GIN) member Perry Kiraly's
"Intervenor" movement, which first hit the civil docket on November 18, 2014.
But before I go any further, this just in: Judge Ronald Guzman,
who is presiding over the criminal contempt case (for which Katie is currently scheduled to be sentenced on March 17), has just signed an order denying his previous motion for acquittal. Here's the link to that document.
(And here's a link to the report by NBC5 in Chicago.)
The past couple of days have been busy ones, court-wise, as
numerous documents have been filed in preparation for Thursday's
civil case hearing. Apart from the huge ongoing issue of Katie's
hidden assets, of which the receiver has still apparently been
able to retrieve only a small portion, there's the big scavenger
fight over the ultimate ownership of GIN.
I went to PACER and grabbed a bunch of stuff from Monday, January
27 and Tuesday, January 28. I shared them on the GIN Network
Truth group on Facebook the afternoon of the 28th, and have since
uploaded them to Scribd as well. They're in four groups, as
1. The receiver's "sur-reply" (which just means an
additional reply) to the intervenors (Perry Kiraly and gang).
Filed January 27, 2014. Here is that link:
The receiver calls out Perry for trying to influence people to
quit GIN so its value will go down and Perry and gang can buy it
cheap. The receivers also seem a little p.o.'d at Perry for what
they see as his misrepresentations of their actions and intentions.
There's a little legal saber-rattling at the end of the reply,
too; this is from page 9 of 10 on Document 812-1, filed on
January 27, 2014.
To be certain, to the extent that
evidence bears out efforts by an individual or individuals to
financially ruin GIN by intentionally interfering with GIN’s
relationship with its customers in order to suppress its
value and force a fire sale of its assets, the Receiver
reserves all rights to bring appropriate claims, including
for tortious interference. Notwithstanding such reservation,
out of an appreciation of the sometimes extreme passion of
GIN’s membership, the Receiver has demonstrated substantial
restraint in not pressing its full array of legal remedies
against a myriad of parties that have defamed the
Receiver and inappropriately interfered with the
I suspect that they are not only thinking of
Perry and gang but also of the loudest mouths in the GIN
destroyer camp, e.g., former Katie b.f.f. Mocktor Loony Coldwell
and Peter Wink, who have been slamming the receiver non stop for
months (at least since September of last year).
More recently Peter has just been snarking about the receiver's hefty fees.
While I seriously doubt that Winkwell's intentions
are in any way altruistic, I support anyone's right to snark.
It's up to the receiver to decide whether the ramblings of C-list
scammers and their enablers are even worth their time and effort.
The receiver does seem openly concerned about Perry's gang,
I am a little surprised that the receiver didn't make a thing out
of the fact that the replies regarding the motion to intervene
were due on January 17 and were not filed (by Perry's lawyer)
until January 20. The receiver mentioned all of these
dates in their sur-reply, but didn't make an issue of it.
[SPOILER ALERT, added 30 January: The GINtervenors lost. See update below. ~CC]
2. The FTC's statement in advance of the
hearing that is coming up on Thursday, Jan. 30. Filed
January 28, 2014. Here is that link.
The Feds wanted to get some more digs in at Katie to prove their
point that his contempt is particularly contemptible and he
belongs in a cage. There's nothing particularly new here, but
they do a pretty good job of driving their point home.
3. The long-awaited receiver's second report, where they go on
about what they've been up to for the past couple of months, and
how much it is going to cost. Here is that link.
This is what has had Wink's panties in a wad for the past few
days, and his and Loony's panties in a wad for the past few
months. And Perry's panties too, for that matter. And the panties
of many who only wish they were making that kind of money. And
I'm sorry that I got you started thinking about any of their
since I'm already on that track, here's this, which you may have
seen before. I bet it's a real hot
Although I think the receiver has made a pretty good case
against the Intervenors, I did raise my eyebrow at their
statement that GIN has been profitable for the past few months.
The footnote explains that the figures they offered to back up
that statement do not include their fees.The receiver also came out and said that there are
currently three groups or parties vying for GIN, or at least for
its intellectual property. My current best guess, based
"upon information and belief," as the lawyerly types
like to say, is that if the receiver's statement is accurate, the
1. The Kramer brothers, owners of the GIN store. Greg Kramer is
currently head of the new Leadership Roundtable, but that doesn't
rule out his competing for rights to GIN. And he does have a lot
invested in GIN as a brand.
But hey, I'm willing to change my opinion as new gossip and
informed opinions from surprising sources reach my ears.
2. Jeff Devine and Coral Thomas (she is a life-coach scammer and
long-time Katie supporter).
3. Perry and his gang.
4. Perry Kiraly et al.'s response to the
receiver's sur-reply. Here is that link.
This was filed later in the day on January 28, and among other
things the motion accuses the receiver of improperly filing the
sur-reply, not addressing the issues, and continuing to hide his
(the receiver's) "true motives." I also noticed that
Perry (or rather his Shimko) claimed not to know anything about
The Hybrid Group, which is Jeff Devine's company and has been in
the picture since GIN began. As noted above, Jeff is reportedly one of the
parties interested in buying GIN. The Shimko calls The Hybrid
Group "a newly identified group...about whom nobody seems to
know anything." Shimko, you haven't been doing your
At any rate, the scrappy Shimko is in full
dramatic mode, winding up with an entreaty to the court to
"let in the 'sunshine'" -- which invariably brings to
mind that famous song from the tribal love-rock musical Hair.
* * * * *
Meanwhile, propaganda efforts continue from the
aforementioned Blights of the Roundtable, the newly appointed
"leadership" in the struggling GIN. On Sunday
afternoon, January 26, Roundtable member and passionate Katie
supporter Nancy Ashley sent out an email blast with a couple of
hilarious audios attached. Unfortunately part of the auds were
lost in transmission, but I was able to grab a portion of one.
First here's the email...
And here's a link to the audio
Sent: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 12:50 pm
Subject: Action Call for KT
Hello Awesome Ones,
Below is a link to two snippets of a Call to Action
Conference Call last night from Dr. Tom Morter, Ed Foreman
and Coral Thomas, The Secret to Life Coaching. They are in LA
doing a Fund Raiser for KT, and the first short audio is from
Dr. Tom explaining the URGENT need right now for this Call to
Action, and the second audio is a very short clip from Ed
Foreman and then Coral Thomas explaining how you can
participate in this call to action............ and what
win/win benefits are available to you.
To contribute, go to www.ktlegaldefense dot com and make the
contribution you select from what Coral explains is available
on the second audio.
After you contribute, please email ktlegaldefense at
gmail.com (Janine), and tell her you are contributing from my
email for The Secret to Life Coaching Company, and she will
know what win/win "benefits" your contribution is
So please listen to the two very short audios below ........
the first is from Dr. Tom, and the second is a very short
clip of Ed Foreman, and then Coral explaining the ways to
contribute and what amazing things have happened since she
started coaching with KT............. and you'll see why a
Council spot in The Secret to Life's Coaching Company is a
very timely "gem".
Link to both audios: [NOTE: link in email no longer works. ~CC]
Love you all and thank you for your time,
Nancy Ashley, President and Founder
The Ashley International Group, Inc. ~ in 53 Countries
Marketing Evolutionary Health and Wealth Concepts
The voice on the audio is that of Katie's long
time fishing buddy and enabler, Dr. Tom Morter, who
runs scams of his own but whose platform was expanded greatly
because of his association with Katie and GIN. He talks about how
Katie is walking the talk, and is making the best out of things despite being
trapped in a cage, subjected to bad food and regular full-body
strip searches. And he emphasizes that Katie is not the selfish,
greedy person that the folks on the Interwebz are claiming. The
Interwebz Katie is not the real Katie, sez Dr. Tom. As proof of
his statement he tells a story of how Kevin gave warm coats and
blankets to the homeless a few years ago during the cold Chicago
winter. And this was while Kevin was at the height of his career
and in full glory as the Infomercial King. He didn't have to even
say boo to the bums, but he gave of himself to help those
down-on-their-luck losers (which was what he probably really
thought of them -- not what I personally think of people who are
broken and disenfranchised).
Listening to the heartwarming tale, I had this eerie feeling of deja
screw... and then I remembered Peter Wink telling me a very
similar story about Joe "Mr. Fire" Vitale a few years
ago. Joe has been a frequent snarget on this Whirled. Peter told
me about Joe handing out money to the homeless on the streets of
downtown Chicago, no questions asked. It seems that the
downtrodden of Chicago are a handy prop for certain Scamworld
Peter was telling me this story in a deliberate effort to give me
a more balanced picture of Joe; I suppose he felt a little guilty
about all of the snarky things he'd said about him to me, things
that he knew I was going to write about on my blog. And he was
still trying to stay on pretty good terms with Joe at the time;
even though they'd had a stormy breakup when Peter went to work
for Kevin, he and Joe had more or less made up and were
apparently planning some ventures together.
Anyway, here's what I wrote, back in April of 2010, and it
seems to apply to Kevin as well.
Yeah. What I said. There are few things more disingenuous than conspicuous altruism by proxy, where the conspicuous
altruist doesn't do his or her own bragging but leaves it to
others to do it. It's a transparent ploy, generally used when the
apologists know that really don't have much to work with.So what do I think of these latest developments in
the ongoing GIN saga? I think the whole "hidden
motives" meme re the receiver is mostly histrionics from
those who want to continue to milk the GIN cash cow. The receiver
is still following a court order, and of course they're going to
want their piece of the pie for the work they've done -- but
ultimately Kevin is to blame for all of that. And I think that
for the most part those who are scrapping over GIN, and some of
those watching from the sidelines while flogging their own
seekrit societies, are scammers or schemers in their own right,
some worse than others. The IMBS-ers are among the worst of all
of the sideliners, in my opinion -- for many reasons, but most notably the Coldwell factor. And I still find it amusing
that Loony C is so full of schadenfreude that he is
practically selling tickets to his ex-b.f.f.'s court appearances. These are from January 22...
Where self-help gurus are concerned,
though, Peter said there are other unpublicized everyday acts
of kindness. He spoke, for example, of times he walked
through the streets of downtown Chicago with Joe, and Joe
would just hand out money to homeless people, no questions
asked. Again, I have no problem letting anyone know about
things like that. Nor do I have a problem with Peter’s
attempt to present a more nuanced view of Joe and other
industry leaders. In my observation, however, few critics of
the New-Wage leaders actually think the gurus are completely
heartless and selfish; that’s really not the point of their
criticism. The question is: Do these acts of kindness and
generosity make up for the extravagant promises and unfounded
claims about products, services, and events? Or for the greed
and the egotism? Or for the lamentable way some of these
folks treat those closest to them? Or, in some cases, for the
real harm they do to others?
I'm thinking that most critics would say no.
|In this part of the thread, Loony C appears to be celebrating the |
fact that everybody in GIN lost money (see his last comment).
However, I think he probably meant to say that it was a good thing
that the previous commenter, Dana A, never had enough money to
join GIN because everyone who did join lost money.
But Loony doesn't understand basic punctuation so his comments
are often very difficult to understand. In addition, he often
gloats over the misfortunes (real or imagined) of those who disagree
with him, so it's not surprising that some people may have
misinterpreted this comment.
I have no delusions that the Feds are heroes in this whole thing,
although I do think that certain individuals who have been
fighting this battle all along -- since long before the
self-serving "GIN destroyers" came into the picture --
are actually concerned for consumers who may have been screwed by
Katie. But I also think that at the same time the court is trying
to decide Katie's fate, it is, unwittingly or not, presiding over the building of a
new, refined, legal scam. And I have the feeling that GIN will
live on, in one form or another, and the big sick machine will
just go on and on and on.
Meanwhile, the entertainment continues. Stay tuned...
Update, 30 January 2014
Things didn't go so well for Katie
today in court. No new court docs on PACER as of now (6:00 PM
CST) but I'm watching for them. Meanwhile, here's Jason Meisner at the Chicago Tribune
with his account. Seems that despite those feel-good posts that Janine has been
spitting out, Katie would rather be
waterboarded than stay in the MCC another minute.
Here's the report from Phil Rogers at NBC5 in Chicago.
And here's James Hill at ABC.com. (Hill produced the Lookout episodes last year slamming Katie
One totally unsurprising bit is that the judge
denied the GINtervenors' motion. According to the ABC piece...
In court today, the judge denied a
motion to intervene in the case brought by two-dozen members
of GIN who had accused the receiver of “draining and
diverting” the organization’s resources to finance the
receiver’s quest for Trudeau’s assets to pay off his
“It’s too late,” Gettleman said,
before abruptly cutting off the group’s attorney.
So after all of the histrionics -- the dramatic references to sturm und drang, the pleas to "let the sunshine in," and so
forth -- that scrappy little Shimko was defeated, and Perry and
his pals are stuck with a big legal bill.
Labels: GIN, Global Information Network, Kevin Trudeau, Kevin Trudeau court cases, Kevin Trudeau jail
Kevin Trudeau update: GINtervenors reply with fail-whale of a document, as Loony C makes more daft predictions
While serial scammer Kevin Trudeau sits in a cage
in Chicago's MCC awaiting his sentencing on the criminal contempt
charge (said sentencing has reportedly been moved to March 17,
2014, though I still have seen no docket entry to verify this) [see
update below. ~CC], the paper shuffling continues
in the civil case. As expected, a document was filed yesterday,
January 20, by GINtervenors Perry Kiraly and gang's lawyers, the
Shimkos, with the unwieldy title of, "Intervenor's Reply to
FTC's Opposition to Intervenor's Motion to Intervene."
Holy Busy Prepositions, Batman!
That's a whole lotta "to's" in one title.
Here is a direct link to the document. If you don't feel up to reading it at the moment, you
have the option of just settling back and letting me blab on about it
for a while. Or you can go do something useful. I won't be
As you know if you've been keeping up here and/or
on Facebook, I've been snarking about Perry being a drama queen,
but when you read the document it is clear that Perry's Shimkos
are drama queens too. The doc starts right off accusing the FTC
of engaging in sturm und drang in
its statement of opposition to the motion to intervene (filed on 20 December, 2013). I assume that this is a
fancy-shmancy way of declaring that the FTC's opposition was a
tad overwrought. The usage of sturm und drang in this
context seems to be a tad overwrought too, but I digress.
|Click to enlarge. A close-up of the page|
that the fail-whale is holding in its mouth
in the graphic above.
The Shimko argues so passionately, almost as if
he really believes what he is arguing, and it must be said again
that I am not a qualified lawyer-ish person so I don't know the
legal fine points, but it still seems to me that this document is
totally missing the point, if I may err on the side of egregious
understatement. Even though it seems that at least the Shimkos
are finally trying to clarify why they believe that
Perry and gang have "standing" in this case despite
serious GIN ownership issues, it also seems that they are failing
miserably. Perhaps the Shimkos just need to go back and read the
hundreds and hundreds of pages of court docs that seem to prove
beyond a reasonable doubt that GIN is owned by Katie (or, rather
his wife, who now seems to be hiding out in Ukraine), and
controlled by Katie. Therefore it was and is part of the
It's not that I blame the Shimkos for being confused. All of
Katie's business affairs were set up to be confusing. But it
seems that a lawyer should have a better understanding of these
things. Or maybe I'm the dense one and just not reading things
correctly. If so, I am in good company because the FTC lawyers
are equally dense, so I don't feel so bad.
The Shimko also takes umbrage at the FTC's
declaration, in their opposition to the motion to intervene, that
the GIN MLM was a pyramid scheme and thus illegal, and therefore the
Intervenors themselves are/were pyramid scheme participants. I wrote about that on this December 22 post. For now the point is moot because the MLM part of GIN
has been suspended, but it appears to me that the Shimko was
distorting and misrepresenting the FTC's declarations. To begin with, he accused the FTC of calling the Perry and his fellow
Intervenors "ponzi scheme participants." Actually, no.
The FTC called them "pyramid scheme participants." There is a difference between a Ponzi scheme and a pyramid scheme.
On the other hand, the FTC was a bit snarky about Perry and his
pals, as reflected in the title I gave my December 22 post. And
that hint of snarkiness opened the door for the Shimko to be
dramatic and accuse the FTC of waging an ad hominem
attack on his client. In any case, the court will ultimately be
the one to decide on the legality or illegality of the GIN MLM.
* * * * *
When I read this latest court document, one of
the first things that struck me was that it seemed to contradict
Perry's and one of his Shimko's clear implications in recent
communications that they are ready to give up the ghost with GIN.
But then I thought, "Hey, maybe they are simply trying to
keep their options open and get in the last word as they are
legally allowed to do --- or rather, the second to the last
word." As I just mentioned, the court has the final say on
all of this stuff (unless of course there are appeals).
Presumably major decisions will be made on January 30, when the
next court hearing is scheduled.
At any rate, Perry's latest updates sent in the wake of that
filing indicate that he and his pals are indeed going full speed
ahead with their new club, the World Information Network, or WIN.
More on that in a moment.
I noticed too that this latest court document is much more of a
direct attack on the receiver than was the original motion to
intervene (even though from the beginning the intervention was listed as being specifically against Robb Evans & Associates, LLC (the receiver)). Of course that is understandable, considering all of
the missives that have flown back and forth since November 18 (when the motion to intervene was filed). It appears that once the Shimkos detected that they
really didn't have a place at the negotiating table, as they had
apparently believed originally (or at least had communicated to their
client), they changed their tune.
As I have also mentioned before, it seems that in the past couple
of months, a whole new meme has grown up around the receiver
being the real "GIN destroyer," as opposed to
others who have claimed that title for themselves. Perry and some
of his fellow GINtervenors have gone on and on about how the club
was so fine until the receiver took over with his bad vibes. As I noted in my previous post,
even Katie's former marketing director Peter Wink, and Katie's
former b.f.f. Leonard Coldwell, have been ragging on the receiver
for a few months -- at least since September of last year. Much more recently, Peter even wrote that it is the
receiver who destroyed GIN.
But I think that by now, many of us know who the real GIN
destroyer was and is: Katie himself. With the help of his
professional asset planners, he created GIN and at the same time
-- either consciously or simply through his own arrogance and
greed -- he planted the seeds of its destruction, nurturing those
seeds from day one. The FTC and receiver deserve the lion's share
of the rest of the credit (or blame, depending upon your
perspective) for destroying GIN.
I noticed too that in the court doc, the Shimko snarks about the
receiver letting the FTC do the real work in crafting the
opposition to the motion to intervene, with the receiver merely
filing a brief "me-too" document at "the eleventh
hour." I feel obligated to point out that the Shimko also
waited until past the eleventh hour to file his reply to the
opposition. As I have mentioned a few times, the reply was due by
January 17 (according to the civil case docket), and yet it was
filed on January 20. This may not matter, and the Shimko did tell
Perry in advance that he would have a reply filed by January 20.
But unless the deadline really is NBD, it seems that the FTC and
receiver could make a thing of it, and the court could decide
that the document was filed too late.
I think I understand why attorneys on both sides wait until the
eleventh hour to file in cases where pertinent info surfaces
nearly every day, but the point is that the Shimko had no room to
snark about this point.
The document contains several boring case precedents, as court
docs invariably do. Precedents are like the soggy vegetables on
your plate when you're a kid -- good for you, and prolly
necessary for a balanced diet, but not nearly as interesting as
the meat or the dessert. But I found one of the listed case
precedents to be amusing, and so did my pal Tim Donohoe, who
Let's hope he [the Shimko]
takes this argument to its logical conclusion.
Yeah, that sounds about right. Great cetacean, Shimkos! I mean, great citation.
Here's a close-up shot of the citation (and
cetacean) we're talking about, so you can get a better idea of the context.
[Quoting from the court document]
Receiver’s actions in cancelling [GIN] events is
akin to the claimed injury in Japan Whaling Ass’n v. Am.
Cetacean Soc’y, 478 U.S. 221 (U.S. 1986) wherein it was
held that plaintiffs therein undoubtedly 'alleged a
sufficient injury in fact in that the whale watching and
studying of their members would be adversely affected by
continued whale harvesting."
What he really means is that while GIN
is being picked to death, all the ex gin scammers are out
scamming all the whales, leaving nothing left for GIN's upper
Of course you probably need to read the court doc in its
entirety, if you're interested, so you can make up your own mind
about what's going on. And you really should read the document, because despite my snarking and my general cynicism about GIN and any attempt to form an alternative club, the GIN members did get screwed. They got screwed by Kevin and his cronies, though even at this late date some will not admit it. But I don't blame them for feeling that they are now being screwed by the FTC, the receiver, and the courts. And as snarkworthy as so many parts of this latest doc are, it does make the point that the real winners, income-wise, in this whole sorry saga are the lawyers and, more recently, the receiver.
* * * * *
Not surprisingly, Perry sent out an update in
response to the latest court docs.
From: Perry Kiraly
Items 1 and 2 are the court docs I've been
yammering on about. As noted at the beginning of this post, you can read them here. Item 3
concerns recent communication, including a letter Perry sent yesterday to rally the troops and put a
totally positive spin on the January 20 court docs.
Date: January 21, 2014 at 12:31:47 PM EST
Subject: SWGF/WIN Update 01-21-14 Motion Filed - WIN Launched
SWGF Update: PERRY KIRALY
January 21, 2014
Dear Fellow GIN Members,
This update contains the most important
documents released to date. Documents that will affect the
future of our club and the Members in many ways.
These documents were sent yesterday but are resent again
today for four very important reasons. Read each of them
Read each of the attached documents closely. Then act. The
instructions of what to do now are in the updates.
The attached motion and accompanying declaration that was
filed in the court on 01-20-14 will affect the future legal
standing of all GIN Members and their rightful ownership of
our club's property.
The motion and attached updates bring crystal public clarity
to the true intentions of Perry Kiraly and the SWGF, and Mr.
Timothy Shimko (the attorney retained by Perry Kiraly and the
many club Members and speakers backing the SWGF).
The updates contain the Website address of the newly
established legal entity by which our club will continue and
build from this point on free from interference as the World
Information Network Foundation LTD / or WIN See www.winfdn.com.
The accounts are set up to process your credit cards or other
forms of payment where 100% of the funds received will be
used for the costs associated with the continuance and
rebuilding of our great club.
At least it seems clear that Perry remains unmoved by the lame
efforts of the IBMS Master's Society shills to get him to come
on'a their house. He and the gang appear to be going full speed
ahead with WIN. The nascent web site is simmering with its own sturm
und drang, complete with lofty words and a pic of what
appears to be something burning.
In all fairness I should note that the Shimkos and Perry do not
have a monopoly on drama queendom and snide remarks. As noted
above, the FTC's lawyers have similarly engaged, as have Katie
and his legal team. That's the real reason I find these court
documents so entertaining -- that, and the inescapable fact that
I am easily amused.
Meanwhile, in other GIN scavenger
You may have seen this email that went out to
the GIN membership this past weekend from the fabled GIN
Leadership Roundtable (LRT), whose names are finally revealed.
GIN LEADERSHIP ROUNDTABLE ANNOUNCEMENT
Word has it that two folks who had been named to the LRT have
already resigned their positions because they're tired of the
b.s. Their names do not appear on this list. I guess they took another look at the drivel that's oozing out of the GIN offices and said, "CANCEL, CANCEL."
Coldwell the Maleficent
Dear GIN Members and Associates,
While we are still in the process of defining our priorities
for the next few months, the Leadership Roundtable (LRT)
Members would like to submit a collaborative, unified view to
you, as a GIN club Member or Associate in good standing. The
purpose of our letter is to make our position clear, and to
communicate that we are fundamentally interested in the
well-being of many, not the interests of a few.
First of all, who are we? The LRT consists of both of GIN’s
previous Member Advisory Board and Affiliate Advisory Board
Members that were voted on by membership, or appointed by the
club Members who expressed interest in continuing to serve
our club. Many of the nine of us have been in GIN since the
onset of our club. We are Members that have shown our
commitment to the club over the years in a number of ways. We
are NOT a group that has been appointed by the Receivers, nor
do we represent their views. We are NOT a board of directors,
NOR are we self-appointed.
We, as a group of Members, are interested in the continuity,
and ultimate thriving of our club, and are open to what
changes may transpire after the club transitions. In keeping
with the intent of GIN’s original Advisory Boards purpose,
our desire is that your views and wishes are heard, and
impact the direction that GIN takes. Since our priority is to
keep the club’s principles and beliefs whole, and allow
what GIN stands for to remain intact, we accept the challenge
to assist and represent you, in the context of completing our
commitment to our previous advisory board’s term. While we
are not presently privy to most of the information at GIN
Headquarters, our goal as leaders on the LRT is to achieve as
much transparency and accountability to GIN’s Members and
Associates as beneficially possible and as soon as possible.
It is apparent in our exchanges, both informally among each
other, and during our formal inaugural January 9th meeting,
that all the LRT Members feel love, respect, and trust for
each of you . . . Members and Associates committed to our
club. Each of us is genuinely interested, and united in
achieving the well-being and continuity of this club. The
respect we have for each other, and for the tenacity of our
entire club community acting in good faith, remains a
Until recently, there has not been any clarity on the
potential "how" during the process of much change,
over which none of us had any control. We believe and realize
that the best and most viable option to ensure future growth
and success of our club is for the Members and Associates to
buy it from the Receivers. We are also interested in
promoting hope, belief, and excitement for a future GIN
owned, and run, by its Members. In the interest of keeping
our club healthy and to encourage momentum, we support
continuing to pay our monthly dues. Yes, we know some of the
money may pay the Receiver’s expenses, but we choose to
FOCUS ON WHAT WE WANT, knowing that the future is OURS to
write. Any short term decisions can and will be revisited
once we have control of the club, so please do not concern
yourself with doom and gloom others may be preaching. Those
of you who are familiar with the training and use of the
words “Cancel, Cancel,” may want to use this to clear the
rats out of your head.
Additionally, we as a group of nine committed Members and
leaders, speak in a unified voice in stating we are not in
general support of those among us who are propagating fear
and loss. To those few individuals we say “CANCEL,
CANCEL.” To quote from the Myth Busters, “I reject your
reality and substitute my own.” The New Year will bring
Hope, Life, and Love for GIN.
Again, buying the club is really a no-brainer. Starting over
from scratch would be immensely time consuming and a huge and
expensive undertaking. Without the basis and infrastructure
in place, there would be a need to invest a substantial
amount of time and energy to re-build, find, or create: a new
Success Mastery Course, the IT infrastructure, the video
webinars, the live seminars, the already trained staff, the
vendors, the speakers, and on and on. While a degree of
rebuilding will be necessary in whichever scenario the club
membership chooses, our desire is to have the least amount of
disruption in the interest of ensuring the stability and
continuity of our club.
One of the outcomes of our January 9th meeting was to endorse
the formation of a new website devoted to bringing our
Members and Associates together in unity and make a bid to
buy the club. We hope this will be accomplished in the next
seven days. To reiterate, in keeping with the positive energy
and communicative style the LRT wishes to convey, we want to
make information available to you as soon as beneficially
You are welcome to ask any questions you may have using the
"Member Advisory" (note this is for Members only)
section on the Online Community of the GIN Website, which had
already been set up to provide feedback. If the answer is
available (note that we do not have access to any financial
or legal information of the club) and the question is
positive in nature, we will do our utmost to answer as soon
as possible. We will make available additional information,
including a website financed by an LRT Member shortly.
We are grateful to our Chairman, Greg Kramer, for his ongoing
commitment, tenacity, and love for our club. These
characteristics have been displayed by each of the LRT
Members, including our Co-Chair Bob Shontz. Note that LRT
membership consists of three One-Star Platinums, a Member of
GIN's speaker faculty, a Go-Getter, and many Inner Circle
Members. All are Level VI Members or Level VI Candidates, and
all were elected GIN Advisory Board Members.
Whatever the club’s overall Members collectively create,
and whatever transpires, at this time the nine of us feel
blessed to have the opportunity to work alongside each other,
as a Member of, and in service to, our fine club. We thank
you for your continued support and look forward to a great
GIN Leadership Roundtable
Greg Kramer, Chairman
Bob Shontz, Co-Chairman
Meanwhile, Germany's answer to the late Johnny Carson's
fortuneteller character Carnac the Magnificent,
Mocktor Loony Coldwell, is making predictions about the upcoming
hearing on January 30. Here, unedited, is a January 16
Here is my prediction: on January fist
the closing of Gin will be finalized. Many Gin staff and
speakers will be personally indicted. Trudeau will never ever
see the light of day again. St Patricks day will be just the
beginning of the end for inmate # 18046036.
Ah, Loony, Loony. Schadenfreude is
such an awful color on you. Stick to pink and aqua. But come to think of it, you wouldn't look bad in orange.
I believe that by "January fist" the little man
actually meant "February first," but I could be wrong.
Perhaps he is making some retro-prediction, or he is thinking of
January 1, 2015. And maybe he is obsessed with fists for some
reason. Come to think of it, that's not the first Facebook post
in which he has talked about fists. I wonder why he is so
interested in them. This might explain things a little.
In a subsequent post on the same thread Loony wrote that he's
taking bets about his predictions, and he brags about having all
of the inside, behind-the-scenes knowledge (the knowledge that
all of the "wannabe's" don't possess), and he also
warns that more arrests are forthcoming.
Here's a closer-up shot of that thread:
Since then, Loony has been busy on Facebook with
more rants and opinions about the "big legal judgement [sic]
day" that is coming. Naturally he listed the new Leadership
Roundtable members as being conspirators to keep the
"criminal organization" going on. He declares that the
GIN shell is now "the perfect breading found [sic] for more
potential crimes and fraud." (Screen shot below; from one of
his rants earlier today, 21 January). It's not that I disagree
with the contention that GIN is composed of lies and liars.
That's a given. But when Loony talks about those issues, it's
another pot-and-kettle deal.
That's it for now, Dear Ones. It's back to work on real, paying
projects for me, but I will continue to strive to keep you updated.
Update, 24 January 2014: Docket entry was finally made on 22 January, 2014, regarding Katie's sentencing.
In other news, here's the new web site from one of the major GIN scavenger groups. This is the official home of GIN's new Leadership Roundtable, who have embarked on an earnest effort to raise funds to buy GIN and pay lawyers and so forth. Be sure to look at some of the "names" who have endorsed this effort. By the way, these folks have also adopted the phoenix as their symbol, though the image that appears on their web site now appears to have been borrowed from Google images. Hey, no biggie. Anyway, it looks as if we have dueling phoenixes: The GIN burning bird v the WIN burning bird.
Labels: GIN Intervenors, Kevin Trudeau, Kevin Trudeau court cases, Kevin Trudeau jail, Leonard Coldwell
To err is human, to bullsh-t is Devine
If you've been keeping up with the saga of jailed
serial scammer Kevin Trudeau's Global Information Network (GIN),
you know that there has been quite a ruckus as various scavengers
fight over the seemingly moribund beast even before its actual
demise. I wrote several updates on this post (and in the comments section), and before that here, and before that here, and before that here. Although numerous ex-GIN
speakers/principals have gone off to flog their own schemes,
inspired at least in part by GIN, the chief factions in the war
for GIN itself appear to be (1) GINtervenor and prospective WINner Perry Kiraly and his followers, represented by Perry's Shimkos; and
(2) the remaining GIN staff, most notably interim Chief Operating
Officer and longtime Trudeau buddy Jeffrey Devine, presumably
under the guidance of the court-appointed receiver.
We've been hearing a lot from Perry, but the GIN staff hasn't
been idle either. This Devine missive was issued yesterday
evening (January 14). I shared it on several Facebook forums
then, but here it is for a wider audience.
GIN UNITES! January 14, 2014
"Life coach" Coral Thomas -- who apparently
makes most of her dough by teaching others to be "life
coaches" rather than by actually coaching people -- may be
one to watch; she is reportedly a big contributor to the Katie
legal defense fund and has been rumored to be working on some new
schemes with Janine Nubani Contursi (the one who is allegedly
writing those schlocky jailhouse Facebook posts for Katie) and
some other Katie cohorts, past and present. In fact most of the
folks named in Jeff's letter are reportedly still loyal to
Trudeau, and the buzz is that they may be more than willing to
hand the keys to the kingdom back to him when/if he is ever
released. (There are credible rumors afloat that Coral and Jeff
Devine may be making a move to buy GIN, by the way.)
We, at GIN Headquarters, would first like to apologize to all
of our Members, speakers, believers, and supporters. We have
been working tirelessly every day, and many times throughout
the night, to regain ground control and stabilize this
amazing club! Guess what... it’s working! It's time to
thrive. Here is what we have accomplished so far:
Since the Receivership, we have been able to successfully
weed out the majority of the compliance issues brought
against the club in order to prove that we are operating
correctly and legally. We were able to accomplish this
because of our staff’s loyalty, efforts and true belief in
this club. Without people like Nick, Lisa, Joel, Jeanette and
many others, we would not be here today to announce this.
Thanks to all of you!
In the last five months, we have been able to reinstate and
upgrade previous Members who were unable to continue their
GIN Membership due to cost or concern. Our Members are coming
back! This cannot be denied and our numbers are showing it!
And why not? Everything that the Members have received,
learned and earned from this club is life-changing. Now we
have begun to regroup. It’s a perfect time to combine our
minds and show the world that we can thrive!
A regional education “road show” has been put in place
and is ready to launch! This will not only include some of
your favorite speakers from the past, but also some new
speakers who are sure to inspire! Keep in mind—these will
not replace GIN Major Events; they will only enhance the
existing event lineup! These regional events are designed to
be frequent and more accessible to all.
We have a new and improved Member Reward Program that will be
coming out shortly that is sure to impress!
This is the part where we need to apologize. With all of this
great news…and more to come…we have failed in one area.
As the staff has been working tirelessly to maintain this
great club, keep it growing, and offer even more benefits, we
have failed to inform you of all of our progress, successes,
We have also failed to set the record straight with certain
comments and attacks from others. This will not happen any
First, let us say we have the endorsement and support of
GIN’s key players. Contrary to rumors and other reports,
the fact is that GIN has a dedicated faculty of educators and
speakers that have been here all along! Troy McClain, Coral
Thomas, Ed Foreman, Dr. Tom Morter, Dr. Ted Morter, Blaine
Athorn, Chris McGarahan, Dr. Theresa Dale, Ron Ball, Aadil
Palkhivala, Jacques Patenaude and many others are with us
today, and will be with us tomorrow and in the future.
Secondly, we cannot let the club fold due to misguided
management practices from the past. It is imperative that we
remain united, informed, and stay the course. Our chief aim
must be to comply with legal and ethical business practices
in order to move onward and upward with our club. This is in
fact what the Receivers are doing. They are allowing us to
operate and work within our system of beliefs, while guiding
us to create sustainability for the future.
Finally, there is no WIN outside of GIN! Some reports and
letters are suggesting that it would be easier to start over
and build a new club from the ground up. The fact is that GIN
already exists. Our staff is here. Our speakers are here. We
will continue to fight. Why? Because we know that its right
to fight for what we believe in, what we’ve built, and what
we love. As a team, we made it through 2013. As a club, we
will grow for all to see in 2014. Together we will thrive!
Notably absent from Jeff's list of B- and C-list
luminaries: Fred Van Liew, aka Fred Van Loony, and Mary Miller. Even so, judging
from some conversations on the GIN International page -- I'm not
privy to them but someone kindly copied and pasted for me -- Fred
van Loony is apparently siding with Perry et al., indignantly
claiming that the receiver has no right to sell GIN. He called
Perry "selfless." Fred -- who also still expresses
loyalty and gratitude to Katie -- appears to still be on board
with the plan to starve the receiver out so that the receiver
will just leave and give GIN "back" to the members
(who, as they don't seem to understand, never owned it in the
I strongly suspect that there is at least a little bit of sour
grapes here and that there's no place for Freddy at the new GIN
table, but perhaps he is still trying to keep his options open. Maybe
when it all shakes out Freddy will still be able to sell his
magickal swamp water and E-pendant and other frauducts to the
GINfolk. And if not to them, then to Perry's WINfolk. Meanwhile, Fred is hanging out with the Pitcocks and workin' that
MLM -- the 90forLife scheme, which is a
combo of the Pitcocks' Livinity and veterinarian Dr. Joel
Wallach's Youngevity. This is another example of that "no
neat and tidy endings" thing.
More importantly, and as I noted on some Facebook forums, one
thing to keep in mind is that Jeff Devine is not exactly an
unimpeachable source (some of you who know him are no doubt
snorting at my understatement). I would be willing to bet that significant chunks of
his January 14 letter are mostly wishful thinking (actually the
missive sounds more than a little desperate). Reportedly a couple
of those fabled "advisory board" members have already
quit, and despite Jeff's claims that the GIN staff has been
diligently working on "reinstating and upgrading"
members, the GIN membership continues to decline. And it seems
that Jeff feels at least a little threatened by Perry and gang,
since he closed his letter with that tiny snark about "no
WIN outside of GIN."
In any case, the final decision is not in Jeff's hands
-- and he knows it. Nothing is certain about GIN's legal status
until the court makes a decision. Maybe the hearing on January 30
will accomplish something.
I'm only keeping up with this because I find this whole
dueling-scavengers thing highly amusing, and I am also
entertained by the propaganda war that the opposing parties are
waging to win the hearts, minds, and souls of the remaining GIN
members and on-the-fence ex-members. I expect another drama-queen
missive from Perry Kiraly either today or tomorrow. [NOTE: See update below. ~CC]
Meanwhile, Katie's former marketing director Peter Wink, who
since being fired from the Katie scampire has gone on to
perpetrate a cheap GIN knockoff called IBMS Master's Society, wrote
this on self-described "GIN destroyer" Abe Husein's
Facebook page a couple of days ago: "All Gin members should
consider getting out now before the receiver lowers the boom,
possibly as soon as the end of the month. Simply go into your
back-office and delete the credit card information from your
account to prevent further charges. The receiver ruined Gin. End
of story." ("End of story"
is one of little Loony Coldwell's fave phrases in his videos.
Loony and Peter are becoming more and more alike; have you
noticed? They do make quite the team.)
At any rate, I am puzzled. I thought it was Abe who
ruined GIN, and did it almost single-handedly, according to
previous statements Peter and Loony and Abe had made. But now I
guess we have to blame the receiver. In all fairness, though,
Peter and Loony have both been righteously ragging on the
receiver for months -- at least since last September.
Receiver or no receiver, they would probably sell their moms for
a chance to suck the remaining GIN members, as well as a big
chunk of ex-GIN members, into their failing IMBS-ing U Master Baiter's Society vortex.
And speaking of Abe, he tossed out another difficult-to-understand video early this AM (when he really gets going he giggles and guffaws, and his words stumble over each other -- and the YouTube auto-transcript is worse than useless). However, I was able to understand some of the vid, which seems to be 25-plus minutes of Abe misrepresenting most of the recent communications about GIN, boasting that he was right about everything, touting himself as the most reliable source of all GINfo, bragging about his involvement in the GIN movie, saying he respects Perry Kiraly (though just a week or so ago he was still calling Perry a brain-dead zombie and threatening to sabotage his new club), and inviting Perry and anyone else in doubt to join the IMBS-ing U scam. (The screen shot is from a conversation about a letter one of the Shimkos sent out to Perry last week, which I copied and pasted, with commentary, on this post (scroll down to "Update 9 January 2014: The Shimko weighs in"). I kind of get the feeling that Wink is behind Abe's turnaround re Perry. Perhaps Peter recognized Perry's gift of b.s., and maybe he also considered the fact that Perry does have some followers and even has Jeff Devine worried... so maybe Peter thought Perry's influence might be useful for the floundering IMBS-ing U club.
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In his video Abe also emphasizes that "Dr." C (that would be Loony Coldwell) and Wink, the Supreme Founders of the BS klub, still have great relations with some of the beloved GIN speakers, including some of those mentioned in Devine's latest missive. Well, so much for any of Abe's long-time claims not to be involved at all with the Winkwell scam. He's soaking in it. And let's not forget that he is touting THIS MAN -- yes, THIS ONE -- as a leader who can show the way to a successful life.
The two points on which I agree with Abe, and always have, are that the GIN staff is still lying, and that GIN itself was built on lies. But I was writing about that more than a year before Abe had even heard of GIN.
In any event, it's very clear that Perry Kiraly and Jeff Devine
don't hold the monopoly on GIN-related bullsh-t.
Update, later on, 15 January 2014
Well, we didn't have to wait long for Perry's
From: Perry Kiraly
Date: January 15, 2014 at 3:51:24 PM
Subject: SWGF/WIN Update
Dear Fellow GIN Members,
This is a brief update to
comment upon the "GIN UNITES!" message released
yesterday evening from GIN headquarters.
unfortunately would better read: "Those that
work for the legal entity known as GIN FDN have been
compelled to unite with the Receiver that was sent there to
In the message it was stated that, "our
members are coming back." Whether any members did come
back I do not know. What I do know is that the overall
numbers show, that before the Receiver, GIN had approximately
8500 active members. GIN now has less than 4000 active
members and the decline continues.
Next, it was
stated in the message that "key players" are still
endorsing the GIN Receiver controlled foundation. I would
suggest if one really wants to know where these key players
actually do stand; first ask that their identities be
reviewed, then call them and ask them personally. As for at
least two that have spoken at GIN events and where they stand
I re-post the emails received from Mr. Ed Foreman and Fred
Van Lew [sic], as follows:
Thanks for your clear message about the
destruction of GIN by the Receivers. It has been my
opinion, all along, based on similar situations, that
they would "milk the cow" 'til she goes
dry...then barbecue and eat her remains. Afterwards,
they would offer the bones to the "dogs" for
their highest bid! Like vultures, they usually start
with the eyeballs and brains first. It ain't a purty
"You are getting nothing but web
access as long as the receivers are in control. They have
defrauded you of the people and services you contracted
for. No referring payments, no cruise. Just out right
theft of our private club owned by the membership. I
would send your dues to the legal fund headed by Perry
Kiraly. Look him up. You don't even have to resign. Just
go delinquent for a couple of months. Our lawyer is
excellent. Thank you, Perry!!!"
Sent from my iPad
That escrow account was actually
set up years ago by Kevin, as part of one of the agreements he
signed with the FTC, to be used specifically for paying on fines
in case he violated any more orders. It never belonged to the GIN
members or to the receiver.
Heartiest congratulations to you on the tremendous,
excellent work and progress you are making in saving our
great club...and going from GIN to WIN is terrific! I
am out of the Country now...will be back after the 15th
and in touch with you. Keep On Keeping On!
Next, in a previous message from
Receiver/GIN headquarters it was stated that the budget
wouldn't allow for the payment of Inner Circle or other
programs. But it would appear that maybe they could have
been paid? See the attached Receiver Report of Oct. 25, 2013.
In this report the Receiver mentions having $2,000,000.00 in
an escrow account it hasn't accessed yet and an additional
$990,000.00 in the Receiver's bank account. That amounts to
almost $3,000,000.00 in reserve and that was in October 2013
before the Affiliate program was cut out. So a more accurate
statement would be that the budget won't allow the payment of
Inner Circle and other GIN programs, and
the payment of the Receiver's salary and Mr. Trudeau's fine
suggested in the GIN/Receiver message that there is no WIN
outside of GIN. Well, yes there is. World Information
Network Foundation LTD or WIN is now
a legal entity established in the state of Ohio.
there is no GIN outside of WIN, for WIN currently consists of
those that believe in the ideals upon which GIN was initially
founded and welcomes what is left of the membership that
believe likewise to join us. The ideals I speak of are truth,
integrity, the pursuit of happiness and Freedom.
Let it be
noted that I am a citizen of the United States of America and
have exercised my 1st Amendment
right to express my opinion herein. Perry Kiraly
I will continue to keep y'all posted as new twists and turns surface in this increasingly silly story.
Update, 16 January 2014:
Very early this morning, Perry K issued yet another January 15
update, in response to another missive from GIN Headquarters. I
don't have a copy of that yet -- I will insert it here when I do -- but here is Perry's response.
From: Perry Kiraly
It's still just a propaganda war, as far as I am concerned: Devine et al. versus Perry et al. I do of course still agree with Perry that "GIN Headquarters" is lying, and good for him for calling that out... but... well, something about pots and kettles comes to mind.
Sent: 1/16/2014 1:30:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: WIN/SWGF Second Update 01-15-14
SWGF Update: PERRY KIRALY
Second Update January 15, 2014
Dear Fellow GIN Members,
I must say that if nothing else I’ve shaken things up
enough to get some movement to take place down at GIN
Headquarters. I’d also like to thank you HQ for keeping me
on my toes…
To respond to the latest release entitled "Fast Facts
from Headquarters," I believe we should first take a
look at the title which may be quite
revealing…"Fast-facts." In fact I had to look up
the definition of "fast-facts" after reading the
release to be sure I understood the meaning, then re-read
those fast-facts in that light definition.
The informal definition for fast..facts is defined as: a
deceptive or unscrupulous trick (esp. in the phrase pull a
fast one). So let’s take a look at some of the more
relevant question/answers and see if they’re trying to in
fact pull a fast-one here:
1. Who is the official "voice" of GIN?
GIN HQ answer: something about a collective. .. (i.e. Non
Truth: The Receiver
2. Is the staff controlled by the receiver?
GIN HQ answer: …Non answer…gibberish.
3. Why has the receiver terminated several GIN Staff Members?
GIN HQ answer: …financial stability….
Truth: More money for the Receiver & KT fine
4. Are my Membership dues paying the receivers’ fees?
GIN HQ answer: …for operations… (this is a partial truth
+ gibberish added)
Truth: Yes and the Receiver Estate fund to pay KT’s fine.
5. Have any GIN funds been applied to
Mr. Trudeau’s debt?
GIN HQ answer: None as of the date of this message.(this may
be true but…)
Truth: All GIN funds not used for operations and the
Receivers fees go to the Receiver Estate fund that will be
used to pay Mr. Trudeau’s debt. The only reason it hasn’t
gone there yet is the judge will have to order it.
6. Why is the receiver in control of
GIN HQ answer: Here GIN HQ affirms this truth which answer
the above two question HQ asked being: "Is the staff
controlled by the receiver? And "Who is the official
"voice" of GIN?"
Truth: GIN HQ admitted by their admission here the Receiver
is the official voice of GIN and in control of the staff
7. Is the receiver "milking" the organization?
GIN HQ answer: (Non-answer…gibberish)
Truth: Yes, all programs costing money have been eliminated.
All cash not use to operate GIN goes to the Receiver’s fund
and fund for KT’s fine.
8. Have the receivers cancelled Membership benefits?
GIN HQ answer: …yes…removed for
legal compliance…. (so, the BMW winners lease payments was
illegal…the Inner Circle payments…the lazyman’s
Truth: Yes, 22 to date and counting all
9. Why won’t the receiver pay previous
GIN HQ answer: …blamed it on poor management prior to
Receiver interference. (even though all programs were being
paid – some over time – but all were being paid before
the Receiver interfered with GIN)
Truth: The Receiver won’t pay previous GIN promos because
that more cash in their pocket…
11 .If past bonuses and promotions were not fully paid, why
should I trust future program rollouts?
GIN HQ answer: …trust the new management…!!!!!!
Truth: If rollouts means payouts…how
can they be trusted to do what they have not done to date?
12. Why is the new Leadership Roundtable held in secrecy from
the GIN Members?
GIN HQ answer: …there is absolutely NO secrecy as to the
members of the new LRT.
Truth: We still don’t know who they
are nor did the general membership vote for them.
13. Where is the contract between the LRT Members and the
GIN HQ answer: … there is no
"contract" between these parties.
Truth: in the conference call to the
Inner Circle which I have a recording of it is stated that
the Receiver has endorsed, in writing the Round Table group.
14. Why does the GIN receiver control
the LRT (…Round Table)?
GIN HQ answer: It would not be a correct
representation to describe the receivers as "in
control" of the LRT.
Truth: GIN HQ admitted in question #6 that the Receiver is in
control of GIN and is therefore in control of anyone they
endorse in writing!
15. Have the LRT Members endorsed the idea of giving all GIN
Members the opportunity to participate in the acquisition of
GIN HQ answer: Yes…
Truth: Oh, now we, the Members, need a self-elected, Receiver
endorsed group of yet unidentified Round Table members to
endorse "giving all GIN Members" the opportunity to
participate in the acquisition of the club? (know that I am
holding back what I’d really like to express regarding
16. Why did a recent communication state that GIN paid Mr.
Troy McClain to write a recently released letter?
GIN HQ answer: …Perry Kiraly claiming
Troy McClain was paid to write the letter he wrote is a
Truth: I personally spoke with Mr. McClain for over an hour
by telephone several days prior to Mr. McClain writing that
letter GIN HQ posted. Mr. McClain stated that he was being
paid to get communication unstuck between the Receiver and
GIN members. He further stated that he would be doing a
conference call with the Receiver and HQ on Monday the 6th.
In that I felt it would be a breach of confidence to reveal a
private conversation with Troy regarding how I knew Troy was
being paid and by whom, I decided to state it as I did in my
previous update knowing that Troy was at one time on retainer
and believed him to still be so retained. And knowing that
having a financial interest in writing what Troy did should
I hereby publically apologize to you Troy McClain for
revealing a part of our private telephone conversation but I
do so for what I believe to be the greatest good for the
greatest number of dynamics in this situation.
17. What was the original intent of the
GIN HQ answer: …the original intent
was to purchase GIN. It appears that in their latest
communications that the intention is to shut down GIN and
start a new club; however, they want to do so under their own
appointed governing board rather than one appointed by the
Truth: Purchasing the "assets only" was something
considered by us. It then became very clear that the Receiver
planned to milk the club until dry then sell what was left to
the highest bidder. This left one course of action…find a
way to get free of Receiver control.
We also recognized the extensive liabilities of GIN FDN
created by the Receiver’s interference of GIN business
affairs. The only solution was to form a new legal entity
with which to carry on future club activities, hence, we
created the World Information Network Foundation Ltd which
will be member owned and controlled (please see SWGF/WIN
update of 12-31-13 for WIN’s open Member leadership
Note that GIN HQ makes a real issue of stating in question
#17 above: "they (the Interveners) want to do so under
their own appointed governing board rather than one appointed
by the Membership." Isn’t this a funny thing to accuse
us of when the GIN HQ secretly appointed a Round Table group
endorsed by the Receiver in writing to represent the general
GIN Membership which had no part in their election?!!!
18. Would it be easier to keep GIN
alive, or just start a new club?
GIN HQ answer: … it would no doubt be a MASSIVE undertaking
to start an entirely new club…
Truth: It is a MASSIVE undertaking but as a Founder, Level-6
candidate, Inner Circle, Platinum, Go-Getter I, Sanctioned
Speaker, and Member who loves the ideals upon which this club
was founded and wants to see them continue I have and am
willing to undertake this massive effort for the greatest
good of all of the current and future Members that believe in
19. Are the numbers stated by the Intervenors and their legal
GIN HQ answer: No
Truth: Attrition rate over 50% since Receiver interference.
Approximately 8500 before the Receive, less then 4000 now.
(If these numbers are inaccurate I challenge GIN HQ to post
the numbers that are accurate from your non-secret
transparent current leadership)?
20. Why has a lawyer stated his opinion is that GIN will soon
only have 2000 members and that all of GIN Staff will be
GIN HQ answer: This is not the opinion of a lawyer
representing GIN. It is the opinion of the Intervenors’
attorney, paid by the Intervenors.
Truth: This is an honest opinion based upon an extrapolation
of the attrition rate and numbers listed above.
21. Will future GIN owners make due on all previous
GIN HQ answer: This cannot be answered at this time and can
only be answered by future owners. However, acquirers of GIN
will have to conduct their own financial assessment of past
liabilities to see if it is possible to meet those previous
obligations of GIN. It should be noted that new owners of GIN
will not acquire GIN's previous liabilities at the time of
acquisition; rather only GIN’s assets will be sold.
Truth: No – and note that if the new acquirers do not
create a new legal entity as I have already done they will be
subject to all of GIN FDN’s liabilities. What you are not
being told is that the new owners WILL create a new club or
legal entity or be strapped with GIN debt they don’t want.
In short the new owners will do what they criticize me for
doing regarding the establishment of a new legal entity under
which to do club business.
22. How will the GIN Members’ voice be heard?
GIN HQ answer: …GIN HQ…LRT (Leadership Round Table)….
Truth: Receiver controlled GIN HQ & LRT.
23. Who will create the next level of
GIN HQ answer: … faculty of expert trainers, LRT,
consultants, and staff…
Truth: A Receiver controlled government influenced faculty of
expert trainers, LRT, consultants, and staff…
24. If funds are raised by any members of the LRT, would
those funds be under the escrow control of the receivers as
stated by the Intervenors’ communications?
GIN HQ answer:…Absolutely not….
Truth: The Order Appointing the Receiver gives him complete
control, admitted by GIN HQ in HQ’s answer to question #6.
So of course the Receiver will have control of funds raised
by GIN HQ & Receiver the appointed Round Table group if
it chooses to exercise this control.
25. Did the FTC want to dismantle GIN?
GIN HQ answer: In cooperative efforts with the receiver’s
office, GIN has made substantial strides to make its
operations legally and financially sound. GIN is confident
this will demonstrate a clear effort of cooperation with any
government authority and to demonstrate that the new GIN
management has the best interest of its Members and the
interest of consumers in mind.
Truth: If what the Receiver has done so far is any indication
of what their employer wants to do the answer is a resounding
26. Why did GIN lower its Membership
Level price structure and "fire sale" the
GIN HQ answer: …direct result of continuous feedback from
the GIN Membership and statistics, resulting in a
recommendation to the receiver
Truth: Fire-Sale. (Raise money to keep operations from
folding because of massive attrition rate of membership)
27. Is it a direct violation for a GIN
Member to defame or use the information on the GIN website
(contact info) to directly solicit, intimidate, insult or
defame another GIN Member? Does GIN have a policy to prevent
harassment of Members or hurting the reputation of others?
GIN HQ answer: …The Intervenors’ counsel stated that a
new club can be started, however he failed to refer to two
important sections of GIN's own Membership Agreement listed
12.8. I agree to never jeopardize the reputation of GIN, any
of its Members and Affiliates, staff, speakers, presenters,
and contractors, in any way, including but not limited to
using any social media platform (Face book, Twitter, Google+,
etc.), email, telephone, print, or public announcement.
12.17. I agree to never solicit Members and/or Affiliates,
directly or indirectly, to promote other business
opportunities, loans, investments, products, or services.
Truth: Representing and taking sole responsibility for the
Interveners [sic] and all 500+ Members that requested to be on the
Plaintiff list. My only intention has and continues to be to
preserve the club for its current Members out of love for the
club. I have been a Member of GIN since June of 2009, even
before its official launch, and I will do whatever it takes
to see it continues in accordance with the ideal of truth and
freedom upon which it was founded.
As a final note please search the historical record and you
will see that virtually all oppressive dictator based
governments have made painstaking efforts to silence those
that shinned the light of truth upon their activities. I
mention this because GIN has locked me out of my account
though my dues are current and have been current since June
of 2009. The above question #27 is asked as a precursor
justification to terminate my membership. I kept my dues
current anticipating this and for the reason of staying in
good standing until our motion to Intervene was heard on
January 30th. Do you really want to be a part of a club that
takes efforts to silence or punish those that reveal
Do you really want to be a member of a club who’s leaders
and potential purchasers would allow this! If so know that if
it has happened to me it will happen to you…
Let it be noted that I am a citizen of
the United States of America and have exercised my 1st
Amendment right to express my opinion herein.
Someone asked my opinion of who is winning this propaganda war. I said that we who are watching it are winning, because we are getting all of this entertainment for free. But on a more serious note, I continue to look upon this as an example of how desperately some people cling to the dream of having a piece of the Scamworld pie. It still seems to me that Perry wants to preserve all of the parts of GIN that were most objectionable, ethically if not legally -- and that the "valuable information" GIN offered was secondary.
In a related amusing development, Abe H continues
what appears to be a clumsy (and probably Wink-driven) effort to
persuade Perry and his followers into the IMBS-ing U Master
Baiter's Club. As snarky as I have been and will no doubt continue to be about Perry, I have a
strong feeling that he has more sense than to get involved with
And meanwhile in the MCC, caged Katie is happily
playing Gin every day (no, I'm not making that up), experiencing
diversity, and "communing with others" in a truly
"special" way. They're one big happy band of bros there
in the jailhouse. I wonder when he'll introduce his and
Lee Kenny's baccarat scheme to his
fellow brothers in orange. Word has it that sentencing in the
criminal contempt case for which he was convicted will be on
Saint Paddy's day, March 17. And life goes on.....
|This is from early AM, January 16 2014,|
less than a week after Abe threatened to sabotage
Perry Kiraly's new proposed club WIN.
(See small screen shot towards the beginning of this post.)
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